Poll: 53% Concerned on First Sight of Sonic Boom TV Series
It’s no secret that fans had plenty to say upon Sega’s recent confirmation of Sonic Boom for TV–a story we exclusively reported back in June, months ahead of Sega’s official announcement. With opinion so varied, we opted in our latest @Issue poll to ask what your first reaction was to hearing of Sonic’s return to television–and perhaps most glaringly, that teaser image you see above.
Judging from our poll, however, Sega does have a bit of work cut out for them. Out of 892 votes, 53 percent said they were concerned upon their first reaction of Sonic Boom TV. Still, 47 percent voted Excited, so while a six percentage point difference isn’t awful, it shows how polarizing the series can potentially be when it debuts next year.
A new poll is now available to vote up. The above results can be discussed below in the comments.
Only 53%? I’m almost ashamed. 😛
TBH I’m pretty excited for the series. It definitely won’t live up to Sonic X, but hey, it’s a new Sonic cartoon!
*coughI’mtoooptimisticformyowngoodcough*
lolsamehere.
Pretty bold statement to say, seeing as how Sonic X is the most picked on Sonic show by most of the fanbase.
Oh, I actually didn’t know that. Nobody talks about the show anymore.
But hey, the Japanese version was great (besides the swearing).
Huh, I guess it’s gotten to a point where nobody is raging over it anymore. Well, no matter, it’s for the best. Now if we could just let go of that ONE game…
I considered seeing the Japanese version, but I haven’t regained the energy to put up with the on again, off again art quality (sometimes it’s good, sometimes it’s lazy, what the heck!?). I don’t mind cursing that much, as long as it doesn’t go too far beyond hell, damn, and crap. Maybe even bastard, but that one would be pushing it.
Uh, well, Sonic says s**t in English in one episode…
And the limited number of replies on this site is slightly annoying. ._.
The only thing that has me especially worried(And it REALLY does) is ‘Ol Fingers The Steroid Abuser there.
He took a ride too many on a-steroid coaster xD
GENIUS.
GIVE THIS MAN/WOMAN/BOY/GIRL/TEEN A MEDAL–
… Oh wait, Shawn is a guy’s name. YOU RUINED THE JOKE.
Everyone seems to be excited just because it’s a new Sonic cartoon….if that’s the ONLY reason to be excited and overlook the mess that is the character design, then I really think this show isn’t gonna be worth it.
Not a good thought process, and here’s why:
“Everyone seems to be excited just because it’s a new Sonic game….if that’s the ONLY reason to be excited and overlook the mess that is the character design, then I really think this game isn’t gonna be worth it.”
That’s the same phrase edited to sound like it’s talking about Sonic Lost World. If character design is the only deciding factor in whether a form of media is good or not, you need to get your priorities straight.
We have virtually no other real information to give ANYONE a reason to be excited beyond “more Sonic”. RoboHobo is just saying that being blindly excited because of a brand name and overlooking the one thing we DO know (shitty character designs) is ridiculous.
Once more real information comes out, people are free to decide whether or not there’s enough potential value in it to outweigh the poor design decisions, but right now, there’s very little reason TO be excited, but plenty of reason to be concerned (character design is so much more than just an aesthetic decision – something like this can and will affect the brand as a whole, and is indicative of some pretty major internal philosophy shifts regarding said brand in general).
What in the world did they do to Knuckles’ design. Good God, did they wake up a 3:00 AM and say “Fuck it! I give up.” Other than that, I’m looking forward to seeing what they do with the show.
I like what Dave Polsky did in MLP…though I know he is a pretty polarizing writer even in that show, so I’d imagine Sonic Boom would continue to polarize.
For the record, he has a thing for setting up a story that looks like it’s going to have a moral, then having the characters resolve the conflict in a way that contradicts the moral or in an otherwise not completely ethical way.
That’s something that I could live with more likely than not depending on how it’s presented, these (apparently) shitty character designs on the other hand..,
Sonic, my childhood hero, is about to get thrown into a new kids’ tv series expressing crappy character design.
Of course I’m concerned.
I honestly thought it was obvious from the start that the shadows were a joke.
Y’know, like the trailer for that Crash Bandicoot game where it starts off by showing the shadow of a generic, random super hero while the narrator says great things about him, then it cuts to a dorky looking Crash Bandicoot.
If they weren’t going to change Sonic;’s design for Wreck it Ralph, what makes everyone so sure they’re going to change it for this? Even with Sonic underground, the best they did was put a medallion around his neck.
Let’s all take a nice Jamaican cigarette and cool those jets down to an eco friendly level. 😉
It’s all chill ma broda…
there is to much added to the design silluets for it to seem like its going to be that way
It could just be a joke though, y’know like shadow puppets or something.
Y’know like in cartoons when you have a shadow of some larger than life looking creature then you turn the camera around to discover its just a mouse standing in front of a flashlight in a way that made his shadow seem beefy and muscular.
While I find that kind of gag unlikely, considering all of those examples you used happened in one-take videos, it probably wouldn’t surprise me if they did that. If this series is supposed to be focused on comedy to some extent, then that might be one of the first jokes they try as a first impression…no idea what that will say about the show though.
Where where all these people complaining about the “crappy” character design when the screenshot was first unveiled?
In the comment sections?
The only concerns that I had is that a new TV series or even a full-length movie would make Sonic more mainstream and would get the wrong attention from the wrong audience. It’s bad enough that Sonic suffered from having a terrible fandom, fanfics and such. Making Sonic more better known, famous and iconic than other video game characters (i.e. Pokemon) would make things much worse. What bugs me is that a lot of fans of classic cartoons are also fans of Sonic (they like it even more than other video games), and I feel that Sonic doesn’t fit well in the whole cartoon universe (I even see people draw Sonic in 1920’s rubber hose cartoon style, and that is so wrong, at least in my own little opinion). I see Sonic more as a video game series, not a cartoon one. Sonic is a video game franchise, and therefore, Sonic originated as one. I rather see Sonic cross over with a video game franchise (thanks to Super Smash Bros. and Mario & Sonic at the Olympics for that) than with a cartoon that you grew up watching and were nostalgic about.
You know what’s sad? Sonic Boom is not even an anime like Sonic X, but rather, it’s western animation. I don’t mean to sound like a total otaku or anything, but I’m not much into western animation as much as I like anime. I especially love anime shows and OVAs that were adapted from a video game, with Sonic X and Sonic OVA being two of them.
I’m just glad that Sonic Boom is going to be a CGI show on Cartoon Network that features Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy as the main characters, and not a new show based on the Archie comic series with too many characters and made by Disney and on Disney XD/Disney Channel. That’s for sure (Just hope Sonic doesn’t grab Disney’s attention ever again, and especially not be acquired by them. Wreck-It Ralph sucked because of it’s too many cameo appearances of Sonic, which was more than most other game characters who made cameos in the film). Knowing that Cartoon Network is a subsidiary of Time Warner (who also owns Warner Bros. One of Disney’s rivals and competitors), I will pray that Sonic keeps it’s status as “Non-Disney”.
The new designs haven’t been a hundred percent revealed yet, as they’re just silhouettes at this point, yet people are whining about them already. I mean, I don’t see anything wrong with new designs (Heck, they might come up with really good new designs that you might end up liking. You’ll never know). I’m all up for new character designs myself, yet too many people whine about them. You thought too many people whined about Sonic having green eyes? Wait until the time that Sonic might be fully-clothed in his next design (I don’t see the ideas of Sonic having green eyes or be fully clothed to be a problem. Honestly people, honestly).
And for the sake of Soleanna, I hope they use the current voice cast from the games. It would suck if the SatAM actors reprised their roles as Tails and Robotnik/Eggman instead of their game actor and actress (unless you want Tails to sound like an old man or something, it’s not gonna happen, sorry. No hard feelings or anything).
I simply don’t get it. Why should Sonic get another TV series? Sonic already had four TV shows (AoStH, SatAM, Underground and X), an anime OVA (Sonic the Movie) and an animated short (Night of the Werehog). It’s a shame that none of Sega’s other franchises get that treatment, nor even other video game franchises. It’s not fair, and it seems that the Blue Blur is being milked to death 🙁
Argue all you want on how you think anime fans are crazy, or how I’m an otaku for preferring anime over western animation, but you know what? The western animation or cartoon fandom are even worse than the anime fandom. At least with anime fans, they move on and are willing to discover and watch new series, and not whine so much about nostalgia, not to mention the fact that anime is diverse with many different genres aimed at many different age groups, plus the animation is more detailed or fluent in some cases (and who knows, anime fans might actually be nicer). Western animation fans don’t care about anything more than their precious little nostalgia and they think that cartoons from their childhood are better than everything else, especially if it’s made by Dizz-nee, I meant Disney, excuse me. They treat it like a religion and they awfully bash all the other studios by saying their animated films intimidate Disney’s films or that their shows aren’t as “good” as Disney’s shows and other popular, but untrue, opinions that they have. The worst and most overrated of all Disney films? The Lion King (I know everyone has their opinion, but geez, stop treating it like it’s above all other films. It’s not. As a matter of fact, it sucks more than all other films that you put below it).
I do not intend to hurt anyone’s feelings, and I truly apologize if my rant offended you, but I had to get my opinions out and known. I’m capable of respecting opinions and understanding how others feel, so don’t think of me as a jerk or mean person cause I’m not. Until I watch Sonic Boom when it releases if I ever have the chance, my opinion still stands.
You are an impossibly odd duck.
I find it funny to see what you think or say about my personal opinions. It just makes me want to move on and not to deal with such stress.
TL;DR.
And do you have to work in your never-ending vendetta for Disney into every post you make?
I’m pretty sure this guy swore an oath somewhere, and he would literally have to commit suicide if he didn’t
Aside from his rambling about him liking anime more than Western animation (which I totally get, but it’s kinda irrelevant in all honesty), his post would’ve been perfectly fine. But he had to shoehorn his utter contempt for Disney, yet again.
Wasn’t it this kind of crap that got his other TSSZ username banned?
You are allowed to have your opinion, but then again so am I, and my opinion is that your opinion is ridiculous.
First off, Wreck-It Ralph was AMAZING, and just because Sonic showed up for a few seconds here and there did nothing to the story. Just because Sonic showed up in a Disney film, is no reason to bash an otherwise beautiful movie.
Yes, Disney has made many mistakes (mainly all of the live action shows they have on there now) but yes, I miss all of the old animated Disney shows, because they were good, nicely animated, and not filled to the brim with stupidity and toilet humour.
(To name a few: Darkwing Duck, Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers, The New Adventures of Winnie-the-Pooh, Ducktales, Talespin, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, etc)
That being said, I miss a lot of the older shows from CN too, like The Powerpuff Girls and Dexter’s Lab, those were funny even though they were a bit cruder in the humour department from time to time. (I’m not really recalling anything I miss from Nick though, since all I can think of is Blues Clues for some reason)
Anyway, Disney is not perfect. Their current television lineup sucks, as do most of their made-for-TV-movies, because they are all nearly the same thing. Phineas and Ferb is the only decent thing on there atm, except when they show the older movies (The Thirteenth Year was on the other day, for example) But their movies are still beautiful, even though I’d like to see more traditional animated movies again. I am psyched for Frozen.
On the subject of Anime: I’ll be totally honest and say I don’t watch a lot of it, not because I don’t like it, but just because I get tired of the same animation style. I’ve watched InuYasha (still do, even though I’ve seen all the eps) Sailor Moon (only in Japanese though) and I would like to watch Sonic X in japanese because I honestly can’t stand it in English. I don’t bash people because they like anime, more power to them. I do have a problem with people who just say something, like The Lion King, sucks without giving a decent reason and/or list of reasons.
Long story short (too late). My opinion of your opinion is that your opinion sucks, and will stay as such. Have a nice day.
None of the Disney shows you have listed were good, even though Timon and Pumbaa is the absolute worst show of the Disney Afternoon bunch (Thankfully, you never listed that one. It was garbage and not worth watching). Wreck-It Ralph was not amazing like people say it is, no matter that it lost to a few other films during the 2012 Academy Awards and didn’t score well in the box office as most of the same year’s other films. Proves that Sonic can’t star or cameo in a Disney movie. Heck, none of the new Disney cartoons were good, either.
I want to make sure that Simba will never star in a crossover title with Sonic or else I will not like it. It was evil enough that Ralph appeared in Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed. Hope that never happens again. Sonic crossovers with Disney should just stay in poorly written fanfiction and no more.
Hate my opinion all you want, but that’s just your opinion. Has no affect on how I or whoever else feels.
Your hatred for Lion King (and Disney in general) is teetering on hilarity and annoyance. I got no problem with you not liking Disney, but the fact that you feel the need to bring it up in every single one of your posts damn near–especially that bit about the possibility of Simba as a crossover character with Sonic, which was entirely irrelevant and unnecessary.
Just goes to show that though you’re a less frequent commenter on these articles, you haven’t changed a bit since you were using your old screenname.
I ought to point out that there are a bunch of pretty well-liked animated shows on Disney right now. The most notable one is Gravity Falls (but then again, if you ask me, any show Rob Renzetti touches is golden), but Wander Over Yonder, Fish Hooks, and Xiaolin Chronicles have gotten pretty good feedback. And in spite of the hate flung at Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures, it’s not the dreck I thought it’d be. Heck, it’s a lot better than any of the REAL drivel Bob Forward and his team had done in the late 80s to mid 90s.
Pointing out that other things are popular and well-received will do nothing to sway WF’s opinion, because he already thinks the entire world is insane for disagreeing with him on nearly universal concepts.
On a lighter note, I think he COULD have a point…but I’m too busy feeling insulted and attacked by the guy to really look into it.
I know you said you mean well and didn’t want to insult anybody…but you basically did. You did’t insult a tiny fanbase, no sir, you insulted the entire majority of people who like western animation. I get that you have your tastes and opinions, but so does everybody else. You seem to be aware that people have opinions, but you don’t seem to realize that people also have tastes.
You love anime, but cartoons are just not your taste. All well and good. You did a good job making that clear that that is where you are coming from. What you didn’t do however is acknowledge the fact that the world isn’t all black and white. There aren’t JUST anime fans and JUST cartoon fans, it’s a lot more complicated than that. Over 70% of animated entertainment fans out their prefer BOTH, all for various reasons. Their choices are not just based on art style or nation of origin, they are also based on story, characters, writing (preferably good writing), continuity, content, and a bunch of other stuff, ALL of which can be found in both anime AND cartoons.
If you want to complain about how western shows never make anything good, then I’ve got four words for you: AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER. Sure, the artists where inspired by anime, but they never relied on Japanese artists and their style is very unique and different from many animes and cartoons alike. You can’t look at one type of animation as a whole when in reality it is made up of a bunch of different genres, styles, and other categories. I’m sure you realize that animes are just as complex, and that while some animes are similar, no two are alike.
You’re tastes in what Sonic should be are yours and yours alone, but don’t expect them to become anyone else’s either. Whether or not you think Sonic looks good as a 1920’s cartoon isn’t going to change the fact that someone else thinks it looks good (I think I’ve seen the fan art in question, and personally I find it cute). Just because Sonic X was done as an anime doesn’t mean that it was great. A lot of people bashed the anime for its plot, voice acting, and characters…and occasionally the art. Personally, I have a soft spot for the show, as it was one of the first few things to get me into the franchise, but I still recognize a lot of flaws with the show. The story had potential to be great, but the way that they wrote everything made everything a bit too limited and when they did get around to adapting the games directly, they still made them into lightly “watered down” versions. The characters, particularly the original ones from the Earth of that show (basically the humans other than Eggman), where all done in a bland, classic 4-Kids way which incited very little interest in other viewers (they relied so heavily on racist stereotypes that sometimes I feel bad for watching them). Not to mention that some characters, particularly Chris Thorndyke, were written in originally to act as a persona for the viewer, but ultimately became useless characters whose only purpose seemed to be cheer-leading and outright stealing other characters roles. The voice acting…I actually liked this cast, but a lot of people hated them. To be fair though, this was the beginning of their time as these characters, so it would take several episodes for them to know what to go for. But a good majority of the people who hated them were mostly people who were fans of the Adventure voices and couldn’t seem to move on. As for the art, it’s on again, off again. Not just my opinion, but the art itself. It has several moments where it looks dynamic, amazing, and really well done, and then there are just LAZY ASS MOMENTS where the artists suddenly decided “Ah screw it!” and made the already simple designs look horribly bland! I am aware that there are moments in anime where animation styles and designs change for brief moments (action scenes, chibi moments, etc.), but this is nothing like those! It’s just a terrible lack of effort that I find both disgusting and insulting! I also find it strange how in so far no animated appearance, other than the OVA, do they EVER get Sonic’s quills right. All of the 90’s cartoons gave him that annoying buzz-saw/mohawk hairdo that only the American game art had (and that was just a stupid mistake in interpreting 2D artwork), when finally the Sonic X cartoon seemed to get the idea of the spikes being solid…but then it turns out that they think he only has THREE spikes rather than SIX! Have none of them ever played a 3D Sonic game!? But, I’m getting off the topic…
It is a bit unfair that Sonic seems to be the only SEGA character getting this much attention, but you could argue the same for Mario or Mickey (oops, forgot you were hated Disney too). You want to know why they all get so much more attention and treatment compared to their partner characters? It’s because they are their respective companies’ mascots. OF COURSE they are going to get so much attention, they represent what their companies are about. Imagine if Frosted Flakes never had Tony the Tiger. Pretty depressing and bland cereal all of the sudden, huh?
And on the whole nostalgia note, anime fans aren’t innocent of that either. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard long time fans of the Pokemon anime complaining about how the current seasons are nothing like the original seasons that they grew up with. The same can be applied to almost any anime fanbase, nostalgia just exists. Nostalgia isn’t a bad thing. There is nothing wrong with looking back at the past. Looking back is only a problem when people absolutely refuse to turn around, move on, and accept any new changes made to what they are so worked up over. Hence that whole “green eyes” example you brought up.
So if you don’t like Disney or western cartoons in general, that’s okay. Very narrow-minded and biased, but okay. Just don’t expect to find too many people in the same boat as you. I’m sure there are some, but I have to agree, you are kind of an odd duck…or at least a very small minority in the fanbase. You can believe and like what you want, but keep this in mind. Don’t knock something if you aren’t willing to try it. A lot of people like western cartoons because of their content, not their art style. If you actually look and try, you might find something even better than your favorite anime, even if it doesn’t look better. I think Sonic works BEST as a game, but so far I think he has done a very good job as a cartoon character, a movie star (well, cameo anyway), and especially as a comic book character. Sonic is ultimately an idea, and one that deserves to keep expanding in every direction possible.
PS – On a slightly anticlimactic and hypocritical note, screw you, I love Wreak-It Ralph, it is a video game movie done right, and I don’t think Sonic was in it as nearly as much as he should have. He was only in four scenes, and you had to LOOK for him! It’s like playing Where’s Waldo only Waldo is moving from one end of the page to the next every 2 seconds! We had to have somebody iconic, and Mario was unavailable for whatever reason, so there ya go. Also, I freaking LOVE Disney, and there is an entire world out there that disagrees with your opinion on Lion King. I don’t think it is the crowning achievement of all things Disney, but it’s animation is some of the best I have ever seen from the 90’s. You don’t like Disney? Fine. It’s not the only fish in the sea, but it is a freaking WHALE, one that is very difficult to avoid. I find it hard to believe that there isn’t ONE thing Disney that anyone could like.
But whatever, I’m ruining the level-headed message I was trying to send. Anyway, don’t knock it till ya try it, respect everybody else’s opinions and tastes, and express your opinions and tastes at your leisure, but be careful how you present it to other people you think won’t agree. Take care!
tl;dr – but in short: don’t bother with Wandering Fox. It’s not worth the time you took to write that, it really isn’t. It’s like talking to a literal brick wall.
Kind of funny that you’re mad at me for writing here. Oh well, it’s only your opinion,
Write whatever the fuck you want. You’ve got just as much of a right to go around being a moron as anyone else. I’m just trying to spare Hero the headache of trying to get anything through to you.
“Hero the Headache?” What did I do!? D:
Lolz, kidding. I get what you mean. Yeah, he seems a bit set in his ways, but I’d like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they could at least consider something (even if it is a tiny bit) with one of my over the top soap-box speeches. But if I have to comment again, it’s nothing but the minimal amount of paragraphs here on. You’re right about the fact that I wouldn’t want to waste my breath on somebody who won’t listen. I already wrote a college level essay on how the Sonic fandom should embrace its diversity…on another forum….what is WRONG with me!?
Anime isn’t only for the Japanese. As a matter of fact, anime is popular and well liked all over the world, including America and the rest of the west. Of course, I always thought that anime-influenced animation was better than the overrated, Golden Age cartoon-inspired animated shows and movies from the 1990’s out there *cough* Disney Afternoon shows *cough*. It’s good that American artists are able to draw anime-style without any of that “Anime is Japanese! Only the Japanese can like anime!” types of criticism. Of course, some anime series and artists were influenced by western works, which I can understand, but that doesn’t mean that western animation will always be better.
Also, not everyone is going to like that garbage called The Lion King. I obviously don’t like it, for example. There is nothing good about that movie. It has the most boring and obnoxious protagonists and antagonists of any series ever made.
The problem I have with most western animation, and especially with The Lion King, is that, they’re always these things:
1. Wrong depiction of animals. (i.e. The hyenas, who are portrayed as henchmen to Scar and the typical comic relief trio, which is one of my most hated cliches in animated movies. I know that fictional animals don’t always match their real counterparts, but this is nuts. Disney got sued by a biologist who studies hyenas because of the film’s portrayal, wishing that the spotted hyena would be given a more positive and heroic light than what most media sees it as)
2. Excessive use of toilet humor. (i.e. Timon and Pumbaa and most animated sitcoms) I think it’s gross, and there is more to making a series mature than to use toilet humor all the time.
3. The whole good is light formula (i.e. Simba, Mufasa and the rest of the Pridelanders), which always doesn’t work that way, since we’ve been seeing villains with light or angelic powers in other media these days.
4. The whole evil is darkness formula (i.e. Scar), which always doesn’t work that way, especially since some feature a ‘dark’ hero once in a while, or at least one.
5. Exaggerated facial expressions that make characters look like they took too much crack cocaine (i.e. Ed the hyena), which is often mistaken for comic relief.
You can argue how these things exist in anime, but they’re even much more common in western animation. At least anime cliches don’t bother me as much as cartoon ones. Interesting.
Sonic is not a movie star because there is no big-screen Sonic movie, the closest we can get is the OVA which is titled Sonic the Hedgehog: The Movie and is an anime. So no, making a cameo in a Disney movie that should never been made doesn’t count. Also, the comics and cartoons are not as good as the games, anyway, so I wouldn’t consider him a cartoon character or comic book star as much as video game character. Sure, Sonic is Sega’s mascot, but he’s not the only Sega character and video game that exists. It’s like some fans forget all about the other series and just remember that only one.
Honestly, genuinely, this entire post leads me to believe you’ve either never seen an actual anime in your life, or you’re just the most willfully ignorant person on the planet. Jesus goddamn christ, do you ever listen to yourself?
My God, why am I even responding to this nonsense? THE STUPID IS LIKE A BLACK HOLE – IT JUST SUCKS YOU IN
To put ChaoticFox’s point more sensibly, you are looking WAY too deep into all of these cartoons (most of which are made for KIDS by the way), while you aren’t really analyzing animes the same way. Cartoons and animes have way more in common than you think, and you’re lack of equally acknowledging both kind of makes me question just how much anime you actually watch. If you’re disappointed by cliches, overused humor, and simplified plots, that probably means you are too used to the far more intricate and complex plot lines and diversity of most animes. There’s nothing wrong with wanting that, but you shouldn’t let it blind your perspective too much.
Also, if you’re so upset by light and darkness being portrayed that way, I’d hate to see what you’d think about– No, on second thought, I better not bring my other favorite series into this. I’m keeping that to me.
Out of curiosity though, how old are you exactly? I’m not going to call you a “stupid kid” or anything, I’m just curious as to what age you would have to be to notice and analyze all these things.
And here I thought John Kricfalusi drove ME nuts.
P.S. That remark about Kricfalusi was in response to Wandering Fox’s reasons for not liking western animation much.
Yeah, my grandparents both worked at Disney during a point in their lives. I kinda feel insulted as well. :/
Hero, you are my hero.
Sonic Underground was a mess. Sonic X was a mess. This show looks like a mess, but who cares? As long as it’s Sonic, I’ll watch.
Can someone explain to me. Using logic.
Why using a slighty different character design to distinguish the series from the games and give it it’s own identity is THAT BIG OF A DEAL?
That’s a long-winded argument I’m too tired to get into atm, but how’s this for starters?
If you wanted a unique identity, why are you making a SONIC cartoon in the first place? Sonic is a brand. An image. An icon. The more you fuck that up with spin-offs and alternate realities and unique media, the more of an identity crisis you create for that brand. What is Sonic? Who is Sonic? Why should we care? How will he remain profitiable if he lacks a consistent identity? What is the purpose of continually reinventing the character and series? Are you looking to create loyal new fans, or alienate your existing ones?
This leads to a divided fanbase (like the one we already have) each clamoring for something completely different, leaving Sega with one of two options: pleasing one group, while giving the finger to the other, or creating perpetual content for each individual sub-group in order to placate people across the board – spreading them far too thin over a series that is ALREADY being milked and whored out to DEATH.
You may not like the modern Sonic design, and that’s perfectly fine (personally, I’ve seen his legs shrink quite a bit over the past few years, to the point where I no longer find him “freakish”, but that’s another point altogether).
No, the issue here is the identity crisis. You wanna redesign Sonic? Fine, but you’ve gotta go for the whole package. You can’t have Sonic A, Sonic B, and Sonic C, all with varying styles and images and storylines competing for audience loyalty. Otherwise, the new fans this show brings in will be upset when they realize Sonic has “freakish legs” in reality, or that Knuckles no longer has rippling muscles. They’ll start whining and bitching in comment sections like the SA3 trolls, at which point Sega will either have to acknowledge them or tell them to fuck off.
We already suffer from this NOW just from varying gameplay concepts, plus the whole class/modern fiasco your very comment is still perpetuating, and that’s not even including all of the Archie/STC/SatAM/AoStH/Underground/Sonic X stuff all cross-competing with each other and debatably diluting and confusing the brand image.
I can understand a desire to mix things up coming from someone not happy with the way things are, but this is honestly not the way to do it. In order to accomplish YOUR goal, Sonic Team would need to re-design Sonic in ALL formats, and attempt to bring some kind of continuity between its ill-conceived attempts at TV shows and its video games. This change, in order not to alienate long-time veteran fans, would have to be subtle and natural. There’s no problem with unique art styles, mind you (Sonic Riders’ intro video and promo art come to mind), but a drastic overhaul of the character design is frankly an insult to the character itself and his history.
Modern Sonic didn’t begin a long-legged nightmare. In-game, his Sonic Adventure model felt like a natural evolution from 2D sprite to 3D model (the atrocious promo art, however, is another story). Gradually, yes, he became taller and thinner (SA2 and S06 being the worst offenses) and less like the portly classic Sonic we knew, but there have been many subtle shifts to his design along the way. A subtle gradual evolution of the character is fine. It makes sense and shows some amount of progression within the series. But completely redesigning an iconic character this late in the game, without an excuse like Sonic Adventure? No.
This way, when people say “I love Sonic”, the question doesn’t immediately have to be followed up with “which Sonic?”
I only see Sonic as just a video game series, nothing else. I would not label it as a brand or icon since it’s anything but, unless you consider it as a video game brand or icon, that is. All the comics, TV shows and such are just adaptions of the series.
I wish it shouldn’t be so milked to death, though.
To say that it ISN’T a brand or icon is pretty naive. It’s always a game first, but that doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be anything else either. SEGA isn’t milking Sonic any more than Nintendo is milking Mario…that felt really weird to say for some reason….
But I already filled up the whole page talking about that, so I won’t go further.
That’s basically like saying that Spider-Man should have just had THE Amazing Spider-Man, and all other Spider-Man comics like Ultimate and Sensational be damned. Just because it would have been simpler, doesn’t mean that it is better. It’s not an identity crisis if each version of the character and his universe share the same key traits while having some variances.
In my humble opinion, that IS how it should be. The number one reason I don’t read comics is because of bullshit like that. It’s WAY too much to keep up with, and the inconsistencies are more grating than they are liberating.
Well, whatever. I think the good thing about all of these comics is that there is plenty for everyone. And luckily fans who stick to one form of canon can still enjoy…..until the thing ends or gets discontinued that is.
Wait, what were talking about again?
I am more interested on this take rather than getting execited over nothing or declaming the show will be garbage based on SHADOWS on the main cast that is probably not the final look. Any else reminded of the Green Eyes controversey because of this?
Yes. I won’t forget the whining people had of the green eyes, and now this?
New designs aren’t the end of the world, people.
Nothing Sonic related is the end of the world, genius. If the world was ending, people wouldn’t be wasting their time commenting about it on the internet. Spending a few minutes bitching on TSSZ does not equate to somebody having a literal meltdown.
Funny how you keep whining and cussing at me about this. 😀
Sorry, I forgot you’re incapable of actually reading.
I find it more funny that the only point you can ever fight back with is “Mommy, he said a bad word!”
Aw great, everyone’s been reduced to pre-schoolers. I better call the sitter.
That old “green eyes” strawman again?
0:33 – to people who complain about redesigns and predict doom of the new show just because of it
0:35-0:36 to you 😉
I’m really concerned about this series because of the more “comedic” approach and just a little more because of the redesigns, but even then I’m going to give it a try, just don’t picture me excited at all.
Off-Topic: Am I the only one that thinks the 3rd season of Sonic X was actually good?
The third season is DEFINITELY where the series picks up, mostly because it has room to have an entirely different and original setting, premise, and basic plot. They got a little deeper, edgier, Chris was…well about as mature as you could make somebody like that, and darker. My only qualm is that they introduced a concept as KICK ASS as Dark Super Sonic….and then totally forget about ever using him again!! What the hell!? That could have led to some great conflict and even better character development!
I’m a little concerned for the move to be comedic considering the….well, first try to make a comedic Sonic cartoon…but since it is involving some of the same people who have worked on Friendship is Magic, I’m hoping that the humor to action ratio will be a little more on par with that show…only 20% more actiony to make up for the lack of focusing on the Magic of Friendship. If it took the Happy Tree Friends writers one “meh” Sonic Colors story to get to Sonic Generations/Lost World quality, then I’m willing to sit through one “meh” pilot episode of this show to get to some good quality later episodes…hopefully sooner than Sonic X did.
Totally agreed!!
Are you trying to insinuate that Sonic Generations even HAD a story?
Also, I never watched Sonic X because the first half a season or so that I watched was pretty terrible. From what you describe, it does sound like that third season gets pretty exciting, but god damn… it’s hard to even imagine that considering how bad the first one was.
You know it’s amazing that you people call yourselves sonic fans and yet you complain about such pathetic details as charcter design. I have never had any issues with anything of sonic (except 06 obviously) so how can you be a fan when all you do is complain?
It’s sort of a passion thing…unfortunately passion tends to be confused with an over-abundance of anger.
Sometimes that passion is obsession.
Granted, when someone isn’t obsessed, it’s easy for everyone else to suddenly turn on the rational one. We can’t tell lie from truth anymore. It’s a shame. It’s no one’s fault… Well it’s the fault of those who complained over stupid stuff since they got everyone mixed up but you know what I mean. XD
People are still complaining about a bunch of shadows? That may or may not just be a joke on certain aspects? We don’t even know much besides this very early teaser and a very basic summary. I can understand and respect liking or not liking character designs– everyone has different tastes and preferences. But why not just wait at least until we see the actual characters themselves? Or a screenshot? Some kind of unveil of their appearance? Makes no sense to whine and worry over mere shadows in a piece of early teaser art.
Makes no sense to praise it either, by that logic. What do you want us to do, wait with bated breath and hold off on the natural human tendency to form any opinions whatsover? Leave the comment sections blank?
He didn’t say that. Just to wait until things are more clear. You have no idea how much people are over-analyzing the early teasers for Kingdom Hearts III. We can express concerns, but we shouldn’t set anything final until more details are revealed. The worst they have done to us so far is forcing us to wait.
I don’t think anyone’s closed off to forming a final opinion at this point. We have limited information, which the majority seems to find concerning, and so we express that concern (often in hyperbolized anger). Comment sections as usual. Tunes may change when more is released, but until then there’s really not much else to do.
I’m all up for a redesigned Sonic for his new TV show. Maybe some of us just want a break of the current Sonic design. XD
(Which btw, the Lost World one has kinda grown on me, and I know he’s going to stick around for a while, so now that I look at the TV version, I’m anxiously looking forward to what I’m about to see).
BTW…. I don’t know if anyone ever thought of this but…
What if Knuckles was simply closer to the light source, thus has a bigger shadow and everyone just freaked out for no reason? That would be hillarious.
(Sure there’s still the issue of his fingers..)
Well, talking about the shadows all I can think when watching that screenshot is a prehistoric themed desing for those 4, with Knuckles being more of a brute cave man, Sonic have a bigger forehead, Tails holding a wrench probably made of bone or wood and all four using cavemen robes (that would explain Amy’s change of dress and that jacket like thing Sonic is wearing), that would be understandable if it were only for one episode, thought it doesn’t look to be the case.
That is EXACTLY the vibe I get from every part of the screenshot.
I’m gonna laugh if that turns out to be the case……..and then I’ll start crying.
It’s all because of Knuckles :I
I hate Knuckles anyway, so his design doesn’t bother me.
(Don’t ask why, I just don’t like him)
Is it because unlike Sonic, he doesn’t chuckle?
I SAID DON’T ASK AND YOU DISOBEYED ME WHYYYYYYYY
In all seriousness, I think it might be the fact that he’s kinda stupid or gullible, I don’t like his design in anything, and he overall annoys me. IDK, maybe I’m being too harsh. That, or it’s just because Shadow is my favorite character. Dunno if that has anything to do with it, but I’ve been called a Shadowtard before (indirectly) for saying I liked him more than Knux. XD
I JUST HAD TO KNOW!!!!!!
Well, I can understand being frustrated with him for that reason, but personally it just helps me relate with him better. Also, his being so gullible is explained a lot better in Sonic X season 3, as he keeps believing Eggman so easily about “trying to be good” simply because he sees good in everyone and wants to believe that even Eggman can do what is right. But another part of it is just being gullible, but I just find that funny about the guy. I find that I like him just as much as I like Shadow and I find it interesting that they don’t really interact that much.
“Shadowtard”? It would ironically take somebody who was dropped as a baby to have that kind of reasoning, let alone come up with such an idiotic term.
@Hero
That is the funniest comment I’ve seen in ages
Knuckles has been pumping iron during his time on the inside. He didn’t deserve it. Those damn cops always discriminatin’.
Wandering fox, i refer you to my earlier comment as well as the rest of you people
The fox says…..waaaaaaaay too much.
You guys catch what I did there? Ha cha cha cha
Tell me about it. So much for throwing long comments at long comments.
I may say too much, but honestly, I’m not stupid nor a child.
Again I ask, HOW OLD ARE YOU? It would help SO MUCH if I knew where you were coming from a lot better. At this point I don’t know if you’re a bitter adult or an overly insightful middle schooler.
I’m not telling you, my age is a private secret and you’re not supposed to know. One thing for sure is that I’m much older than 18 and not an immature little childish brat that you think I am.
Hey, I did say “bitter adult” didn’t I? Anyway, I’m hoping that this means that they at least taught you in college English about logical fallacies and how you need to balance an argument. Simply saying that animes are superior to cartoons and listing everything that bugs you about cartoons doesn’t show that you have an argument, it just shows that you have an opinion. I am aware that the point you were trying to get across was your opinion, but if you are going to set it up as an argument, then you need to balance that argument. Saying that animes are superior to cartoons is a fallacy already, there are many ways to analyze both, other than just their art styles (which are of entirely different tastes by the way). There are some cartoons that have overall better plots than some animes, but that doesn’t decide which genre is better, nothing can decide that. It’s purely based on personal preferences and not empirical beliefs or dogmas. Whether you’re 19 years old or 40, I hope that understand at least that much, and are open to try new things and new genres.
Once again 1st comment i posted on this page. All of you. Proving my point. Rest my case.
You didn’t even MAKE a point. You asked a question. A very naive question that didn’t even warrant a response.
If you are a fan of something, you like it for what it is, and how it is. When that something is changed, if NATURALLY warrants fear and frustration. The more you like it, the bigger a fan you are, the more passionate that fear and frustration. How on earth does that NOT make sense?
If Sonic fandom to you is thoughtlessly swallowing anything painted blue then go waste your time playing that mobile Sonic knockoff from a couple months ago and keep your elitism to yourself.
Okay, now you are starting to sound like another “fox” snooping around here. That’s not the only thing that being a fan means. There is a lot more to it than that. Maybe that’s how your logic works for you, but you can’t seriously expect that to be an empirical truth. There are many fans who embrace change, the fans who fear it just tend to be louder and more outspoken. It’s possible for Sonic fans to have actually enjoyed all of the games preceding Lost World in some shape or form (yes, even 06 to some degree), just as it is possible for some Sonic fans to have hated everything before Lost World (yes, even the first Sonic game). To say that a true Sonic fan can only like what Sonic currently is and must hate any change to the formula is only fueling the fire that has started between the various parts of the fanbase years ago. You can be as conservative with Sonic as you like, but don’t expect EVERYONE to be in the same boat, and don’t write off people who are fine with change as being tools or sheep. Diversity is important in this fanbase, but conflict is what makes it so chaotic that not even other fanbases will socialize with us.
Woah woah woah. Not what I’m saying at all.
First of all, I’m not even saying that change is bad, merely that it’s a fairly natural reaction to be resistant to it, particularly if said change is a dramatic one. For example, if Sonic started wearing overalls and grew a mustache, I think a lot of people would be justly up-in-arms XD
I’m not saying “Sonic is X, and everyone should only like X”, but what I am saying is that when people fall in love with something, change isn’t always welcome (which is why we have all the divisions that we do), because that change runs the risk of abandoning the elements that caused people to become fans in the first place, or adding new elements that detract from that initial appeal.
Gameplay style changes are one thing, but changing the core character design is quite another. Subtle adjustments (green eyes!) can be fine, but reboots and dramatic overhauls border on becoming entirely new entities, regardless of whether they are still CALLED Sonic. Does that make sense? Refer back to the overalls and mustache thing. Would Sonic really still be Sonic in that case?
All I’m getting at here is that it’s not right to say that people aren’t “true fans” because they are resistant to change. It doesn’t make classic fans not fans because they hate the new games, it doesn’t make modern fans not fans because if they happen to hate the old ones, and it doesn’t make people who like ALL games not fans, because they don’t like the RIGHT games.
There are all different kinds of fans for all different kinds of reasons, and while that comes with and creates its own set of problems, at the root of things, all our complaints and fears are rooted in some kind of love for Sonic – whether that be for certain elements of his character design/personality, specific gameplay styles, or recurring themes within the series.
Well, it’s good to know where you are actually coming from. Thank you for clearing that up ChaoticFox. With all of these arguments happening lately it’s really hard to tell apart the blowhards from the rational ones.
Hero i already brought the one into this don’t you do it too the universe will go kablooey. XD jk but seriously it was bad enough i actually had to resort to putting it in the comment i made
Again, I lot of people are passionate about stuff, they just seem to be under the confusion that it means that when something strange or different happens, they have to go all Nostalgia Critic crazy about it. I’m not innocent of that either, I tend to do it quite a bit, but I still try to keep a level head when I can. What this means, hopefully, is that we all love Sonic to some degree for one reason or another and are concerned about anything compromising that love. But if it is true love for a series, than it won’t be destroyed at the drop of a hat just because of a TV show. I hope people realize that.
I don’t think we would be here commenting if our love were so easily destroyed. People like that would likely have already moved on long ago
Well, at least they know how to move on in some form. It’s the people who stay behind to bitch about things that bug me.
I should point out that while Wreck-It Ralph didn’t win the Best Animated Picture award for the Academy Awards (which went to, surprise, another Disney film), it did win the Best Animated Picture Annie Award, which animation people hold in much higher regard.
Oh yeah, which film won that award again?
Brave.
Oh yeah, that’s right. That was a good movie to, but the geek in me wanted Ralph to win. Still, at least I loved both movies, so in the end, I always would have won! MUHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
Holy shit, there’s a kid here criticizing The Lion King? That cartoon is Hamlet for kids, for heaven’s sake! It’s borderline dangerous to show that movie to children, Scar being one of the most terrible villains in Disney history and killing the hero’s father (his own brother) in an atrociously coward and cruel way.
Also, not many people see this in the movie, but the whole Hakuna Matata segment is simply criticizing the hippie posturing that says everything’s fine while the world crumbles around you. It also contains a rightist message of order in society and explores the dangers of tyrant-led revolution using the lower classes as a mean to power (a rare, rare theme explored nowadays in our leftist world… only The Dark Knight Rises has touched this subject recently).
You gotta be extremely simplistic to dislike The Lion King because you find the characters annoying. Holy crap!
0_o……wow, I didn’t think you could see that in such a film (aside from the whole Hamlet thing, that one was obvious).
While I’m not sure if I can see something like that tucked away within a Disney film, I will give it credit that there is something to be found by analyzing that movie. But there might be something to your point and I’m just up too early to agree with it right now or something, I don’t know. But it’s still an interesting point worth hearing.
Either way, The Lion King’s views are derogatory, terrible and not worth agreeing!
Really? Disney debates again?
Come on, guys.
-T
Opinion? Or empirical fact? I’m dying to know.
The Lion King really isn’t rightist. Especially with the whole “Hakuna Matata” and “Circle of Life” garbage which scream leftist to me.
Hahahaha Hakuna Matata, as I said, is the author of the movie poking fun at hippie mentality. Simba wanted to be king for the power, but once his father dies and the throne is usurped, he flees and learns not to care. “No worries”, they say. It also means being a complete dumbass while the world crumbles under Scar’s power.
“Circle of Life” is rightist in the sense that everyone has a place, and some are lower, some are higher, and that’s ok. As long as there’s a certain kind of reverence between every actor in the play of life, everything is good (Mufasa teaches Simba to respect even his food). Scar, on the other hand, wants to break this Circle by promoting the hyenas to the top of the chain not by their merit, but because they think they have the right to be there. Of course, Scar is just using them as a mean to power. The landscape changes and there’s famine over Serengeti until Simba returns.
See Mao Tse Tung’s “The Great Famine” after the Great Leap Forward. There’s a documentary on Youtube even (chinese with english subtitles). Interestingly, in the time of the great famine, the peasants even resorted to eating cadavers. Can you imagine the hunger throughout China?
So yeah, “The Circle of Life” is rightist in the sense that it preaches that everyone benefits from a certain kind of order, with classes and duties and individualities respected and preserved.
I wish death on all the movie’s characters and that destroying the Pride Lands might actually be a good thing to do and not bad, and I’m rightist (In fact, wishing death on fictional characters like Simba, Scar, Shenzi or whoever from that movie wouldn’t be a crime. They’re not real). So what you’ve said about The Lion King being rightist is false *Is off to skin Mufasa after he’s dead and make a comfy skin rug out of him that ends up decorating in front of my fireplace*.
Now, enough ranting and arguing about this. Let’s get back on topic, shall we?
Are you excited or concerned about Sonic Boom? I’m both in some cases, which I’m hoping that the show would be a good one. At least Tails is back (he’s my favorite character), so that’s good. I’m hoping that Blaze would show up (I like her, too), but knowing that they decided that the main stars of the show be the classic characters of Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Amy (Eggman has a likely chance as well, due to being the Sonic series’ main villain), the chances of the other characters appearing is not as likely as I hoped. Then again, we will never know.
I like because all the good guy characters I like are there.
As soon as another character is added to the show (except Robotnik and Metal Sonic), I’ll instantly start hating it.
Yep, that’s pretty much it.
It’s already been confirmed that other characters will eventually appear and that completely NEW ones will be introduced as well
Again Wandering Fox, you’re falling into a pit of logical fallacies. Just because you don’t like a movie or its characters doesn’t mean that your opinions are fact and should be recognized as fact by everyone else. Whether aspects of the film are rightest or leftest or not is another debate entirely (I personally prefer no politics in my Disney or other favorite shows, unless necessary). If you want to kill off all of the characters in this movie…….I feel deeply concerned, but you are entitled to those feelings anyway, but going around parading those feelings and opinions as the absolute truth is fallacious and making you look like a blowhard to other people, whether they like Disney or not.
And nothing was accomplished in the comment section that day. (Seriously, we went from talking about the poll to criticizing everyone else’s criticisms. Of course, that’s to be expected in this type of article/news story.)
Yeah, I think somehow I may have started talking about comic books at one point…..now I’m utterly lost as to what we are talking about now.
Welcome to TSSZ News.
/jk
Actually metaryan i was talking about how unbelieveable these so called “fans” are
Well, at least I’m a sane Sonic fan and not one of those so-called crazy members of the fandom.
We all know your past record, so stop bragging, kiddo.
Whether you consider other people sane or not doesn’t exempt you from other people viewing you the same way. I personally find it a bit crazy that you hate Disney to this level. I mean there are people who hate Disney, sure, but not to the degree of wanting to kill fictional characters (what’s the point dude?). And I’m also sure that you find it crazy that I love Disney despite all of its cliches, stereotypes, and choice of humor, all of which I am fully aware of (I also wanted to avoid this info, but I was born on the year of this movie’s release, so I grew up with it as if it were a sibling). But really, is what either of us think of each other really relevant to anything? Is a Sonic fan who acts like a fanatic towards anyone else any less of a fan than a mild mannered Sonic fan? I don’t think so, because weighing how much of a fan someone is based upon how they act is only looking at part of the picture. Those “so-called crazy members of the fandom” might be fanatical but they are still Sonic fans, even if they don’t know what they are doing half the time. But I do hope that you aren’t just referring to the people you’ve been arguing with so far as the crazy ones. You want to know what real crazy Sonic fans are? Look up “Sonic Passion”, you’ll see who the real crazies are.
Yes, I heard of Sonic Passion, and it is horrendous and revolting. I’m so glad that I’m not part of it and never decided to go there.
Then again, fictional characters aren’t real.
Understand, there isn’t anything wrong with having some form of an attraction to a fictional character, but the real problem lies in exactly how far that attraction goes. They’re not simply crazy because they are attracted to Sonic and co., they’re crazy because of how far they would go and to what lengths they would go to to prove their “love”. If there’s a spectrum with angry bitter Sonic fans at one end, then these people would be all the way at the other end. Crazy does go both ways…so they say.
Being a fan doesn’t mean having to follow the definition of fanatic
noun
a person filled with excessive and single-minded zeal, esp. for an extreme religious or political cause.
synonyms: zealot, extremist, militant, dogmatist, devotee, adherent;
Yup, those synonyms pretty much describe some of the people we have met here today.
Not me. I’m good.
Sorry, but there are some people here who would beg to differ on that.
Word choice aside, Shadow ruins everything he touches by virtue of the fact that he is a terrible character.
You can chalk that up to my overbearing hatred for him all you want, but think about what that means for two seconds. Bringing Shadow into anything also means acknowledging his terrible backstory. His mere inclusion would entail legitimizing Black Hand, all that alien nonsense, and “GUN” bullshit, not to mention taking the show into an entirely different direction if his “chaos powers” are ever ONCE mentioned.
My overbearing hatred goes to Knuckles. :3
Man, you guys take this waaaaay too seriously.
Sigh, yeah, we do. I think we all just need to take a moment to chill on this topic. I absolutely hate the fact that we are debating over practically nothing, this topic has gotten stale fast.
I’m so glad someone else sees it. I can’t be the only one who keeping their comments until the first episode comes out.
I am a sane fan too i just can’t believe how i am the only one not complaining about their designs i mean that may not be knux it could be storm also that ripoff made me gag at the sight of it
Wouldn’t that be funny if Storm was the only Rogue to make it into the show? I can just imagine Jet the Hawk throwing darts at a Storm poster somewhere out there right now…
As for sonic passion that you mentioned hero o_0
Yup, I just HAD to open that can of worms…good thing the site is down though.
Okay, I had enough with arguments. I’m not going to post any comments on this Sonic Boom article on TSSZ anymore if it became a warzone just because of a little comment I’ve made, saying my opinions. Too many people whine at me because of my views. I respect everyone’s opinions, don’t get me wrong, but too many people can’t stand mine. From now on, I just gonna write this last post and press the back button, and just move on.
I’m anticipating Sonic Boom, but really. Why need a new Sonic TV series when we already have four Sonic shows, and that there are several other video games to choose from that would be a good choice or idea to adapt into a movie or TV show? I’m hoping that Sonic’s not the only video game brand that’s getting a new TV series, movie or whatever.
Right now, I’ll be off to play the games.
Ten bucks says he’s back replying to things on this very article before the end of the week.
It’s not that people necessarily have a problem with your opinions Wanderer, it’s that you unnecessarily try and relate things back to your sheer and utter contempt for any and all things Disney even when it’s not remotely related to the article (especially the goddamn arguments you started over Lion King of all things) and then completely disregard someone else’s views because it doesn’t click with yours.
You’ve done this song and dance in the past, and you still haven’t changed. Pretty sad, bro.
Something tells me that he has some kind of mental condition that he is hiding from us, because no sane man can have the faulty logic that he is having for years.
I didn’t want to be the one to say it, but… this.
“A LITTLE comment”!? I know I’m no saint when it comes to comment lengths, but you can’t write a full essay on how Sonic as a TV show doesn’t work and why Disney and all western animation sucks, and expect people to accept that as “one little comment”. You went off on an unnecessary tangent and from the sound of things, a lot of people didn’t think you had that much credibility to begin with (I certainly hope your English 2A teacher didn’t think the same thing). Commenting on other stuff is fine, just try to keep your anti-western/Disney commentary out of it, keep your comments shorter, and people will ignore your presence. Enjoy your games.
He kind of reminds me of Jose Argumedo on the Toonami Faithful Podcast. The guy works at ESPN and hates it. He takes every opportunity to tell people he “works for Disney” and that he says he’d rather work at Williams Street to help out with Toonami. That being said, I’m pretty sure he is not Wandering Fox, as he has respect for the company–he just doesn’t like most of their output as he likes his shows super-serious (whereas Wandering Fox apparently dislikes western animation because it takes artistic liberty, apparently).
I try not to say much about him (Wandering Fox and Argumedo), but considering I’ve been aspiring to be a writer for animated television ever since I was 5 years old, I can’t help but take some level of offense.
Wandering Fox: I just have to ask, do you live in Florida or California? Your hatred of all things Disney makes me think you live in either of those states, where they have DisneyWorld/Land, so most of what you’d see on a day-to-day basis is Disney-related merchandising and advertisments, among other things. Just curious.
Btw wandering fox i got to talk to the real mike pollock not just here but also on sonic stadium so your arguement is invalid